In the morning we visited several sites in New Delhi. In the afternoon we went to talk to the lawyer.
We talked about surrogacy in India, the history, the present and the future. We explained that we had to be prepared for the good and for bad. Many couples from all over the world have been coming in recent years to get to realize his dream, so that´s a growing interest and the likelihood that some couples could not afford to return to India for the baby, has led to start to establish a set of clinical guidelines, to provide a filter to the people who come to India for surrogacy.
Indian culture has allowed surrogacy almost by correspondence. That is it, there have been cases of biological samples sent to India and this couples only went to pick up their baby. This is what begins to oppose India, actually. One of the new requirements, will have to come to India several times during the course of pregnancy and be very sure that you are at birth, because they are the only guardians. India does not want foreign children, thus ensuring for establishing a series of requirements.
Two cases have to rethink the situation. The case of a couple who divorced and lost his job, and another couple that their son came wrong and at the end they were not come to take the baby.
The proposals are in a position to be married for two years, being heterosexual, medical visa and need a letter of subrogation of their own country.
Again it's all in the air and it is unclear at the moment how the situation will evolve. As for the letter, believed to be the most flexible part of the new requirements; countries with surrogacy, are in principle not go to India, so we will consider in the coming months as a convenience.
The marriage seems the most solid part of the problem. This will exclude same-sex couples and unmarried heterosexual. They also raise to justify long dating relationships, but again it is not clear.
She also commented that they help us offer to leave the country with the baby. In the event that the situation is positive and get to the happy ending, at the end of this year we will have to leave the country with the baby. She said that everything depended on the rush at the Spanish embassy. His experience is that the Spanish embassy not usually ask all documents or certificates at once, but in dribs and drabs, and this until now were being from 3 weeks to a month. She said it could be something longer from now.
Our next contact in Delhi will be at 7 months pregnant. We have to be in Delhi for a few days and then come before delivery. They insisted the baby had to be born with us present, that custody was ours from the moment you were born, and no one in India is going to be held accountable.
As for the visa, our doctor told us medical visa, but the lawyer said tourist visa by the moment. She asked questions of our jobs, our home in Barcelona, family support, the relationship we have, and how it would interfere with our lives having to go to New Delhi on several times.
We asked about surrogate mothers. As I said, in our case used three women. The third mother is to have a replacement in case of not reaching the term hormones or that one if could be negative.
We talk to the lawyer about the possibility of meeting surrogate mothers. He told us the truth. In other clinics say that they do it to help people in getting a baby, but she said us everything was harder. She said us that it was an option to know the doctor we could target, but it was better to have little contact, just a greeting. The surrogates are chosen by an agency that is the same for all clinics. They are girls of low social class, with few studies and basically they do it for money, because they have no other options to make money in other ways. In our clinic the chosen preferably divorced or separated, and if couldn't be possible, we can choose a married mother but her husband's consent. All have 2 to 3 children and have 25 to 30 yo. Indian laws do not prohibit surrogate mother meet, so our ignorance led us to want to know them.
We were warned in advance of the cultural beliefs of surrogate mothers. We noted that the contact was far better, as many of them drew erroneous conclusions, even bordering on self-referentiality. They may think that you want something more, that their pain may be created by some kind of belief ... are examples, of course. As a psychopathological level, is something that I've seen in cultures such as Islam, and especially touching as paranoid under stress.
The doctor called them to meet them. All were dressed in Indian mode. We said "namaste" at no time our eyes were reciprocal, they were scared, all holding hands, previously unknown. It was a very tough image, and I think the worst part of our trip. We are not really proud to use their surrogates, let alone the feeling we perceive. We believe they were scared to know, and thought that might please some point would miss not back. One of them is separated, the other is a widow, and the last is married, with the consent of her husband.
We said goodbye to all the service of the hospital and our doctor. We left a little low spirits to have met mothers. One of them looked more cheerful, but the other two we created a major upset. We went to the hotel, forgetting that at the time was starting our IVF...
We talked about surrogacy in India, the history, the present and the future. We explained that we had to be prepared for the good and for bad. Many couples from all over the world have been coming in recent years to get to realize his dream, so that´s a growing interest and the likelihood that some couples could not afford to return to India for the baby, has led to start to establish a set of clinical guidelines, to provide a filter to the people who come to India for surrogacy.
Indian culture has allowed surrogacy almost by correspondence. That is it, there have been cases of biological samples sent to India and this couples only went to pick up their baby. This is what begins to oppose India, actually. One of the new requirements, will have to come to India several times during the course of pregnancy and be very sure that you are at birth, because they are the only guardians. India does not want foreign children, thus ensuring for establishing a series of requirements.
Two cases have to rethink the situation. The case of a couple who divorced and lost his job, and another couple that their son came wrong and at the end they were not come to take the baby.
The proposals are in a position to be married for two years, being heterosexual, medical visa and need a letter of subrogation of their own country.
Again it's all in the air and it is unclear at the moment how the situation will evolve. As for the letter, believed to be the most flexible part of the new requirements; countries with surrogacy, are in principle not go to India, so we will consider in the coming months as a convenience.
The marriage seems the most solid part of the problem. This will exclude same-sex couples and unmarried heterosexual. They also raise to justify long dating relationships, but again it is not clear.
She also commented that they help us offer to leave the country with the baby. In the event that the situation is positive and get to the happy ending, at the end of this year we will have to leave the country with the baby. She said that everything depended on the rush at the Spanish embassy. His experience is that the Spanish embassy not usually ask all documents or certificates at once, but in dribs and drabs, and this until now were being from 3 weeks to a month. She said it could be something longer from now.
Our next contact in Delhi will be at 7 months pregnant. We have to be in Delhi for a few days and then come before delivery. They insisted the baby had to be born with us present, that custody was ours from the moment you were born, and no one in India is going to be held accountable.
As for the visa, our doctor told us medical visa, but the lawyer said tourist visa by the moment. She asked questions of our jobs, our home in Barcelona, family support, the relationship we have, and how it would interfere with our lives having to go to New Delhi on several times.
We asked about surrogate mothers. As I said, in our case used three women. The third mother is to have a replacement in case of not reaching the term hormones or that one if could be negative.
We talk to the lawyer about the possibility of meeting surrogate mothers. He told us the truth. In other clinics say that they do it to help people in getting a baby, but she said us everything was harder. She said us that it was an option to know the doctor we could target, but it was better to have little contact, just a greeting. The surrogates are chosen by an agency that is the same for all clinics. They are girls of low social class, with few studies and basically they do it for money, because they have no other options to make money in other ways. In our clinic the chosen preferably divorced or separated, and if couldn't be possible, we can choose a married mother but her husband's consent. All have 2 to 3 children and have 25 to 30 yo. Indian laws do not prohibit surrogate mother meet, so our ignorance led us to want to know them.
We were warned in advance of the cultural beliefs of surrogate mothers. We noted that the contact was far better, as many of them drew erroneous conclusions, even bordering on self-referentiality. They may think that you want something more, that their pain may be created by some kind of belief ... are examples, of course. As a psychopathological level, is something that I've seen in cultures such as Islam, and especially touching as paranoid under stress.
The doctor called them to meet them. All were dressed in Indian mode. We said "namaste" at no time our eyes were reciprocal, they were scared, all holding hands, previously unknown. It was a very tough image, and I think the worst part of our trip. We are not really proud to use their surrogates, let alone the feeling we perceive. We believe they were scared to know, and thought that might please some point would miss not back. One of them is separated, the other is a widow, and the last is married, with the consent of her husband.
We said goodbye to all the service of the hospital and our doctor. We left a little low spirits to have met mothers. One of them looked more cheerful, but the other two we created a major upset. We went to the hotel, forgetting that at the time was starting our IVF...
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